Editor’s note: This video is part of IndyStar’s project on Christian nationalism, funded by The Poynter Institute, a nonprofit that trains and supports journalists.
Just how much religion should influence politics and whether the United States should be thought of as a “Christian nation” are some of the most controversial and heated debates of the day ― made especially front and center in Indiana by Lt. Gov. Micah Beckwith, who embraces, if flippantly, the term “Christian Nationalism.”
On Nov. 4, Beckwith sat down with a theologian who holds different views from him on these subjects: Matthias Beier, an associate professor of clinical mental health counseling and pastoral theology at the Christian Theological Seminary in Indianapolis, who has served as a United Methodist minister. Beckwith is a conservative pastor at Life Church in Noblesville, which affiliates with the Assemblies of God.
In a wide-ranging 50-minute conversation, the two pastors debate the role that Christian morals should play in policy-making and politics, whether a society can have a set of morals without religion, the separation of church and state and whether Jesus Christ intended for Christians to have dominion in the world.
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