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Political commentator Tucker Carlson discussed the “civil war” waging within conservatism during a podcast earlier this week, and claimed that cynical parties are weaponizing Christian principles to demographically destroy the United States and other Western nations.
He also touched on the recent firestorm over his interview with far-right podcaster Nick Fuentes, whose ascendance among young men he blamed on his own generation’s political failure.
“Evil people use your strengths against you, they use your decency against you,” Carlson said during a Wednesday episode of “1819 News: The Podcast,” which is an independent, Alabama-based outlet originally established in 2021 by the Alabama Policy Institute, a conservative think tank.
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“You saw this with COVID. … They’re not actually sticking a gun in your face and trying to force you to do something. They’re leveraging your own decency against you,” Carlson said.
“And one of the things that makes the Christian world so vulnerable to demographic replacement and to a lot of other things is the universalist nature of Christianity,” he continued.
Noting he agrees with the Christian view that no group is inherently more valuable than another, he warned that idea might be used to make some Christians reticent to object to mass immigration.
“God, Jesus is available to everybody,” he said. “God created everybody. So you could say, ‘Well, I prefer this. I don’t prefer that,’ but you can’t say someone is born inherently sinful — that’s what I believe — or inherently virtuous.”
While countries such as India or China would balk at the idea that they have “a moral obligation to let people who have nothing in common with you come into your country and get on social services,” historically Christian societies are more susceptible, Carlson argued.
“If you say that to Christians, they’re like, ‘Well, I don’t know. Jesus loves everybody. Maybe I can’t put up a fight.’ And that’s why Christian charities — and Jewish charities, but if we’re being honest, it’s mostly Christian, Catholic, Lutheran charities — are mainly responsible for moving these people in the United States in this invasion.”
“Why is that? Because they’ve leveraged a good thing about Christianity, distorted it and used it against the population to destroy the population, which is clearly the point. And to humiliate the population, which they have done.”
Carlson, who spends much of his time at his home in rural Maine, noted he has witnessed similar trends in neighboring Canada, and in other Anglosphere countries such as Australia and the United Kingdom.
“It’s always the same story,” he said. “The point is not immigration to help your economy — there’s a real argument there. They’re not even making that argument. It’s immigration because you deserve it.”
While he clarified that he holds no malice toward the nationalities trying to immigrate, Carlson claimed the push for mass immigration is effectively an act of atonement for what some in power see as the historical sins of white Christians in Western countries.
“Tell me what the point of this is, and the point of it is, ‘You’re evil because you’re white and Christian.’ That is the point. So it’s an act of aggression and hate posing as an act of charity, which is so often the case,” he said, adding that being outright conquered by overtly hostile force would be preferable to “menopausal bureaucrats telling you that you were naughty if you didn’t go along with your own destruction.”
Carlson also discussed the “civil war” on the political Right, framing much of the present tension in economic and foreign policy terms while suggesting the old framework is crumbling.
“Libertarian economics plus [neoconservative] foreign policy: that’s the orthodoxy that has dominated the institutional right my entire life,” he said, describing it as a “false religion.”
Carlson reflected on his own disillusionment with hawkish, neoconservative foreign policy during the 2003 Iraq War, which he advocated for as a young journalist and political commentator until one of his friends died in Iraq and he personally witnessed the chaos in the wake of the U.S. invasion.
He said he came to realize his talents were being “used” by neoconservatives to push an agenda he came to reject, and that neoconservatives have used media to manipulate conservatives into false binary choices.
“The whole construct is fake and it’s designed to herd you into a position that is contrary to your own interests, and that’s where most conservatives have been. And that dam has broken,” he said, adding that conservatives are facing “a much long overdue conversation about what the point of all of this is, especially now that Republicans have power.”
“And if the point is not to help the people who live in this country, then what is the point?” he asked.
Carlson has been at the center of controversy in recent weeks after drawing intense backlash from Evangelicals, Jews and other conservatives for what critics have described as a softball Oct. 27 interview of 27-year-old Nick Fuentes, a controversial far-right podcaster who has expressed antisemitic views and admiration for Hitler and Stalin.
Regarding Fuentes, Carlson denounced his antisemitism but suggested Fuentes is a consequence of incompetent political leadership that has left young men reeling.
“I interviewed Nick Fuentes because I wanted people to think about why is this guy the most popular — much more popular than I am — influencer among young men? And it’s because they’ve been destroyed by us, and that’s a freaking fact.”
“And anyone who doesn’t know that isn’t listening. And anyone who listens, but can’t hear it, is intentionally ignoring it. And shame on them,” he added.
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